m of care – sept 28 23
adrian bowyer @adrianbowyer for first dgi lecture.. on reprap et al
[https://museum.care/events/adrian-bowyer-s-lecture/]:
On 28 Sep 2023, Brian Trust is hosting a lecture by the engineer and mathematician, inventor of the open source 3D printer that became the basis for most of the 3D printers in the world today – Adrian Bowyer.
“We will not take the means of production away from the bourgeoisie to give them to the proletariat, but we will create means of production accessible to anyone.“
Bowyer successfully created a working tool for the existence of “everyday communism” – the concept developed by David Graeber.
indeed.. but need deeper.. gershenfeld something else law ness.. ie: need means (nonjudgmental expo labeling) to undo hierarchical listening as global detox so we can org around legit needs
gershenfeld something else law et al.. dubrovsky matter of minutes law et al..
Read the 2011 interview with Adrian Bowyer by Nika Dubrovsky.
nika on reprap (june 2023)
notes/quotes from meeting:
(came 30 min late.. oooof – only 6 on zoom call.. stas kraev.. david charnock.. nika) – started talking about reprap
give it all away free.. volunteers from all over the world.. logic propels it to give it away.. as soon as sold one.. can make their own.. started in 2005.. extended research via volunteers.. most 3d printers in world are repraps or reprap derivatives
symbiotic mutualism.. copy something .. evolutionarily stable strategy for both.. ie:
bees: plant must move pollen.. bee must eat.. plant pays bee w food to move pollen
humans: cows and wheat must go somewhere.. people must eat.. cows and wheat pay people in milk, meat and bread..
reprap: reprap needs to be assembles.. people need goods, reprap pays people in goods to help it to reproduce.. interesting about this.. doesn’t involve any money
first replication 2008
with self replication you get self repair for free
didn’t stay individual.. co’s started using them.. ie: jo prusa’s reprap farm.. because using in vast numbers.. he has motive to make it reliable.. so his design is most reliable.. can change design on machine in 20 min so great for updating parts et al
3d printing is the second most versatile manufacturing method we know.. 2 ways to make something.. 1\ computer controlled electric drill.. subtractive process 2\ computer controlled glue gun.. additive process
where next.. ct scanner.. xrays patient.. from every direction.. and reconstructs slice thru patient..
what we’re really like to do is just tell the 3d printer what to print.. how? 1\ use generative adversarial network (gan) to make 3d designs.. et al..
gan designs from text via pictures.. so will make 3d designs just from text descriptions
prismatic gan design et al.. ai exudes the dimenstionality
economies of scale.. 19th cent more efficient than 18th cent.. so econ more sensible than lots of 18th cent ones.. if cheap simple tech.. reverses economies of scale.. distribution gives convenience and robustness.. ie: can borrow others if yours goes down..
today everyone has own cd pressing plant, photo lab and printing press.. so why not their own factory.. that makes more factories..
self rep is inherently distributive and works against concentration..
the new engineers’ gallery science museum.. show first reprap machine
reprap.org for more
q&a
vast majority of 3d printers work w plastics.. some work w ceramics.. and increasingly have metal machines coming along.. metal embedded in plastic.. then plastic burns away
machines made in all sizes.. interesting.. some made one that is self expanding.. so potential for them to print something bigger than themselves
quite easy to make plastic objects that diff fluids can flow thru.. so can print mini chemical manufacturing plant.. in us can’t make them (patented drugs) for self.. here can make for self as long as don’t sell
2 reasons not worried about ai.. self rep machines are one thing we really know how to deal with.. so not worried about self rep as a threat.. as far as ai.. people most ly worried about agi.. we have 8b gen intells.. we know how to deal w intell other agents.. is the thing we start to learn when born and one thing humans really experts at..
nika: for me.. social implications.. provides possibilities for autonomous communities to survive..
have to have some tech experience.. but not an outstanding goldstar engineer..
michael: not entirely self rep .. many talk about life as self rep.. ie: put a bird on moon.. doesn’t self rep.. ie: has to be inserted into .. whatever.. so what is the environ needed for self rep
you can’t self rep.. you’re built of proteins.. you can make 12 other 8 you have to get form other things.. that’s true of vast majority of any living orgs.. we all exploit each other.. there are bacteria.. the environ that self rep needs is other self replicators.. most convenient self rep around is another human being.. so machine needs other self rep around it.. t
huge.. needs to be all of us for the dance to dance
one of things about law.. it’s the weakest level of how things happen in society.. above that level is econ.. above that level is biology.. ie: someone buys training shoes.. buy more expensive because brand name ness .. next level is physiology.. breaks thermodynamics.. so four levels.. copyright is at the bottom.. we all know what happens w copyright.. ie: mp3.. copyright evaps.. reproducing techs get better.. more and more things come into sphere music finds itself in.. ie: get ai to reproduce gone w wind w diff actors/set.. et al.. is that a copyright infringement
if look on my twitter stream.. 2 min of me speaking french.. i uploaded a video of me talking.. website i found translated it and changed my lip to sync.. pretty remarkable.. can do that w any movie..
stas: when human has trouble to explain to anothe rwhat he wants.. interp labor.. w ai designing.. how to explain to ai.. are we risking to end up competing in how to ask ai things
not sure ai needs to understand our needs in order to fulfill them.. a lot of things come out of ai that seem to be analogs of what questionary is asking.. ie: puts in extra things that assumes that’s what human wants.. ai was trained in way human beings behave.. that behavior is used to train ai..
but if all whales.. trained wrong.. oi
david: don’t think biggest threat from ai is terminator.. but that people have faith in ai having majgic powers.. how to approach this belief among politicians
terminator movie interesting rake on ai.. predicated on idea of human drama.. need both protagonist and antagonist.. so terminator has both.. imagine what would happen if you did drop a killing robot into middle of la.. get same things if drop big beetle into ants next.. wouldn’t last long.. so many human beings.. people see a drams.. they thing reps real world.. how to persuade politicians of this.. i don’t know the answer.. except to make the argument i’ve just made
nika: i met you 15 or so yrs ago.. then not much knowledge of rep rap..
when i started.. cheapest 3d printer was about 50k.. i applied for a grant that was less than cost of machine.. ran whole project on that budget.. ended up w machine that cost 500 dollars.. very first machines not as high quality as 50k ones.. but not bad..
nika: how much time.. another 10/5 yrs.. when we can take machine.. put somewhere.. and say.. what do you want.. car.. chair.. et al..
depends on what you want.. some can do today.. when i started.. i thought first improvement would be diff materials.. but people wanted diff colors.. so that was a predictive failure..
q: enough commodities to go around.. not most useful for this tech.. what would be the thing you’d like to see them used for
i’ve already seen it already.. co called (?).. use tech to create forearm.. print prosthetics.. that seems to be a good use.. what seems to be a genuine use now
nika: i would say .. very important to make useful things.. t
indeed.. gershenfeld something else law style.. and need means for global detox leap along with.. so that we grok and org around legit needs (ie: tech/ai as nonjudgmental expo labeling)
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nika dubrovsky tweet of tweet adria bowyer shared in q&a (after michael asked about self rep) of lecture [https://x.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1708056801843806272?s=20]:
The obvious usefulness of the computer revolution is the ability to erase the boundaries between national languages so that everyone retains their native language, but everyone can communicate and understand each other. [https://x.com/adrianbowyer/status/1705320311678267788?s=20]
I can just about order a beer or a train ticket in French. I uploaded this video in English (next in thread) and http://heygen.com translated it for me, using my voice, and giving me the correct lip movements.
indeed.
erase the boundaries.. but today can go even deeper than national languages.. boundaries of ie: idiosyncratic jargon (nika on idio jargon ness) to undo any hierarchical listening via nonjudgmental expo labeling
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