dreyfus consciousness law

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Interviewer: “What IS consciousness?”

H. Dreyfus: “Nobody has ANY idea, and they should just keep quiet (about AI) until they do.

It is THE hardest question – how does matter, how could it ever produce consciousness, and using computers and AI is not helping us understand it one bit.””

5 min –

(when you’re in the moment?): yes exactly..

when you’re *absorbed in the moment consciousness is gone..

*rev of everyday life

self-consciousness is really gone.. and most of the time.. we are absorbed in the moment.. and therefore we’re

*looking in the wrong place

when we’re looking at these inner feelings..

*drucker right thing law.. holmgren indigenous law

which are these sort of break down moments when you’re crying inside because you don’t want other people to see it

so.. that’s my only contribution.. and it’s not much.. because i think that’s going to have lots of its own problems.. but at least if you do it that way.. you can look at a more basic level of consciousness than having something that feels inner and that .. is part of your ego.. your subjectivity and all that

6 min – (it certainly enriches our understanding of what consciousness is.. it may not be a complete understanding.. but it enriches it..): that’s right.. exactly.. and if you do that.. if you enrich it with the phenomena.. you can bring together a certain amount of neuroscience which is interested in how you are directly involved in the world.. so that

*meaning show up for you directly in the world

*interconnectedness..  one ness

and it isn’t inner .. and if you do that.. you may be able to have a better theory of how the brain does it.. and maybe the puzzles will go away


Hubert Dreyfus



via Monica fb share:

This book cut through a lot of misconceptions I held about AI. It was hard to switch to the Holistic view after having used Reductionist AI successfully in the industry for a decade. But I just didn’t see a way to get to Understanding by using Models. It was the right decision.

Two quotes from Amazon’s blurb on the book:

“Finally, a book that really does explain consciousness.”

I don’t think this book makes a dent in that debate. Nothing does.

“Although we are unaware of it, our brains sift through and discard billions of pieces of data in order to allow us to understand the world around us. In fact, most of what we call thought is actually the unconscious discarding of information

In two sentences they summarize my research: That Understanding is the result of discarding the irrelevant at multiple levels of abstraction. But this is of course not a coincidence, since this book was one of the main inspirations for my research.

gupta roadblock law

This then led to my Organic Learning algorithm, which is built on these principles.

book: the user illusion (1999)