bonnitta on time
Can we be free of time? Bonnitta Roy on “Weaving Time” – jan 2024 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7F-80wx0cE]:
bonnitta roy on time
In this presentation Bonnitta Roy draws on Stephen Hawking’s final theory of time to argue we need a different lens to understand the past – one that is concretized and fixed – than the future, which is free, open and undetermined. Developing a deeper understanding of the fabric of time, can allow us to become free of the monotony of chronos and open to the nowness of kainos or as Gebser argued “time freedom.”
for huge bit on time page (from krishnamurti’s freedom-from-known page) see bottom of this page
via michel bauwens and @dwebSociety twitter thread [https://x.com/dwebSociety/status/1835221291437003193]:
Below is a link to a 25min presentation, but she also talked about it much longer, certainly on the stoa. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7F-80wx0cE]
tweets prior:
@mbauwens: * Pre-temporal, Temporal and Trans-temporal Notions of Time https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Pre-Temporal%2C_Temporal_and_Trans-Temporal_Notions_of_Time Jennifer Gidley: “As demonstrated, Steiner, Gebser and Wilber all identify more than three stages in the development of human conception of time, and all agree that the notion of linear, historical time co-arose with the emergence of mental-egoic consciousness in approximately the first millennium BCE. They each make important distinctions between linear time and our notions of time prior to this. They each identify emergent postformal, integral notions of time. However, they differ in their conceptualizations and languaging of these issues.”
@dwebSociety: adding a note: @bonnittaroy’s work makes this very graspable.
notes/quotes from 25 min video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7F-80wx0cE]:
we trap ourselves in our own nest of knowing.. diff structures in which time is allowed/disallowed to function. always composing frames/structures for the way we org events inside the structures of what we call time
1 min – 2 words for time: chronos: chronological and kairos: opportune moment.. donna haraway adds 3rd: kainos: now.. then being aware of time as an activity of consciousness. org-ing reality in a certain way
4 min – if everything expanding from observation in past.. then where is tomorrow
5 min – brings us to a conclusion that is consistent w stephen hawking’s final theory – lens we use to look back and lens we use to look forward are diff.. so look in 2 diff ways..
6 min – the past is of necessity fixed and concretized and the future is of necessity contingent/open/free.. looking at diff kinds of operations.. reality unfolds from dynamic states of open possibilities.. but composed when looked at past at retrospective occurrences of prior occasions,..
7 min – retrospective events are selective and discontinuous.. so when look at past we see things.. empathies that are discontinuous.. because they don’t contain interstitial field that weaves pre occurrence relationships together..
8 min – the unfolding future of tomorrow contains a lot of interstitial fields.. all the relationships that are threatening to appear but have not yet appeared.. and once it becomes concretized into the past.. those interstitial relationships are no longer observable.. so then we see discontinuity.. and this is the 2 diff compositions that we manage/orient toward.. (like when hand develops in fetus.. from filling between fingers.. to just fingers from overlapping of continuity.. so effects realized fix their causes retrospectively.. not until bunch of causes.. this this this and this cause this.. et al)
9 min – realized effects are real but not specifiable.. fixed causes are specifiable but not real because they leave out the causal relationships that are lost in the interstitial field
10 min – free will no longer a question.. universe advances freely.. but each advance fixes the causal chain retrospectively into the story of an actual occasion.. so true going back but not real in unfolding future.. the story we tell is an abstraction
12 min – start to see the dance of the causal relationships.. people call this quantum events.. the dance toward that which has not yet been observed
so.. that which has not yet died.. society of spectacle (book) ness et al
14 mi – hawking: the two lenses themselves evolve.. which allow us to weave time in diff ways
15 min – the observer determines the shape of time as a past/present pehnom
q&a
on einstein’s dreams
stopped listening
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huge bit on time page (from krishnamurti’s freedom-from-known page):
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Now we are asking, can we put a stop to time? Can we live so completely that there is no tomorrow for thought to think about? Because time is sorrow. That is, yesterday or a thousand yesterday’s ago, you loved, or you had a companion who has gone, and that memory remains and you are thinking about that
pleasure and that pain – you are looking back, wishing, hoping, regretting, so thought, going over it again and again, breeds this thing we call sorrow and gives continuity to time.
graeber unpredictability/surprise law et al.. on hold ness et al
So long as there is this interval of time which has been bred by thought, there must be sorrow, there must be continuity of fear.
Time is the interval between the observer and the observed. That is, the observer, you, is afraid to meet this thing called death. You don’t know what it means; you have all kinds of hopes and theories about it; you believe in reincarnation or resurrection, or in something called the soul, the atman, a spiritual entity which is timeless and which you call by different names.. To discover that nothing is permanent is of tremendous importance for only then is the mind free, then you can look, and in that there is great joy.
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We have separated living from dying, and the interval between the living and the dying is fear. That interval, that time, is created by fear. Living is our daily torture, daily insult, sorrow and confusion, with occasional opening of a window over enchanted seas. That is what we call living, and we are afraid to die, which is to end this misery. We would rather cling to the known than face the unknown – the known being our house, our furniture, our family, our character, our work, our knowledge, our fame, our loneliness, our gods – that little thing that moves around incessantly within itself with its own limited pattern of embittered existence.
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But death is extraordinarily like life when we know how to live. You cannot live without dying. You cannot live if you do not die psychologically every minute. This is not an intellectual paradox. To live completely, wholly, every day as if it were a new loveliness, there must be dying to everything of yesterday, otherwise you live mechanically, and a mechanical mind can never know what love is or what freedom is.
rowson mechanical law and find the bravery to change your mind et al
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be you. 
