derrick on bright green lies – 2

(nov 2022) interview – Derrick Jensen, Bright Green Lies: How the Environmental Movement Lost its Way and What We Can Do – host Hart Hagan @hart_hagan – [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aCDT-BnVEM]:

My guest is Derrick Jensen, author of over 30 books, including “A Language Older than Words,” “Endgame, Vol. 1, the Problem of Civilization” and Deep Green Resistance. He was named one of Utne Reader’s “50 Visionaries Who Are Changing Your World.”

Key Quote from the book Bright Green Lies: “We’re going to suggest what is for this culture a radical redefinition of what it means for an action to be “green” or “environmental,” which is that the action must tangibly benefit the natural world on the natural world’s own terms. Not that the action helps fuel the industrial economy. Not that the action makes your life easier. Not that the action seems like a success, such that it helps you not feel despair. The action must tangibly help tigers, or hammerhead sharks, or Coho salmon, or Pacific lampreys, or sea stars, or the oceans, or the Colorado River, or the Great Plains. Environmentalism for the real world: what a concept.”

one of ? videos from derrick on bright green lies [derrick jensen on bright green lies]

[intro’d while reading derrick jensen letters.. emailed him and he suggested i read bright green lies (while waiting for book from library – taking in these video interviews – derrick on bright green lies) and myth of human supremacy]

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notes/quotes from 75 min video:

4 min – book came about for one.. people making up crazy facts.. and no one rebutting it..

17 min – what all so called solutions to global warming have in common: take industrial capitalism as a given and planet as having to conform to industrial capitalism .. t .. and that’s precisely backwards.. econ system has to be dependent on health of planet..

hari rat park law et al

18 min – when i say let’s discuss insatiable energy demands of this culture.. people think i’m crazy.. id w system stronger than id w wild nature or continuation of human existence.. continuation of this culture more important than human life.. depend our very lives on system that’s going to end the planet.. t

crazywise (doc).. this is not ridiculous ness

20 min – if your experience is that your food comes from grocery store and water from tap.. you will defend to the death the system that brings those to you because life depends on it.. if food from land base and water comes from river.. you’ll defend to the death those.. problem is the system has all along the way inserted itself between us and the living planet.. t

the way mumford talks about this.. ‘how is it we have all surrendered so easily to this authoritarian (limits our choices to what the system provides) system.. ‘ part of answer according to mumford.. we have been given a magnificent bribe..t 800 yrs ago.. someone in ky might not have believed there was an ocean

23 min – so much of my work from beginning has come from fundamental conservatism.. stupid to kill off salmon.. when might need to eat them tomorrow.. when this system no longer there to provide food for us.. we will be hungry and we will be angry.. not challenging to recognize that solar panels et al came from some where and somebody had to live on land had to clear to make that whatever

28 min – gnp is measure of how quickly living is converted to dead.. ie: salmon zero value to system until put into can and sold

one of best books ever read.. neil evernden’s natural alien .. ‘what do you do if after you’ve given some impassioned defense.. other person says.. that’s fine but what good is it.. only answer you can give.. what good are you.. not to insult them.. but to show how ridiculous question is’

32 min – on communicating w non humans.. but can’t tell people or they’ll think i’m crazy.. when i interviewed neil evernden.. where do we draw line.. signif and insignif humans.. he said.. why draw line at all.. i wrote in myth of .. about plant communication.. why is it only form of real communication we allow is using vocal chords et al..

constant line law.. siddiqi border law

lanier beyond words law et al

34 min – on vowing to live by mom

35 min – world is richer.. more vibrant.. strange.. wondrous than we can imagine.. all these other beings out there.. to think that all are individuals even among humans.. can’t walk thru life recognizing everyone as human being at every moment.. can’t acknowledge full being ness.. now add non human ness to it.. world doesn’t just consist of background.. scenery fro play that you’re a character in

lots of same stories as derrick on bright green lies – 1.. so skimming – ie: story of marxist thinking voluntary exchange et al

44 min – civ inherently destructive.. civ characteristics by growth of city.. city is people living in area w enough people have to import.. into stories of import.. based on growth and violence

jensen import law et al

49 min – deal people say.. culture from city.. food from country

54 min – story of all work summed up – so what people can do is 1\ ie: rewild.. 2\ be honest.. correct diagnosis 1st step for proper treatment.. really asking how to save salmon w/o stopping system.. can’t.. et al.. need to stop the primary harm.. means we need to stop industrial civ.. living bodies have tremendous capacity for regen.. i’m not saying everything will be fine..

again.. all in derrick on bright green lies – 1

1:01 – few things we can do –

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jensen one question law.. jensen import law.. jensen civilization law.. jensen fittingness law.. jensen living beings law.. jensen entitlement law.. myth of human supremacy.. bright green lies.. derrick on bright green lies.. derrick on civ and resistance..

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