derrick on bright green lies – 3
(june 2021) – Bright Green Lies- Interview with Derrick Jensen – host michael shaw (film – https://www.livinginthetimeofdying.com/)- [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9q8WLKzkGY]:
In his latest book “Bright Green Lies” he wrote with Max Wilbert and Keith Lierre, the brilliant Derrick Jensen dismantles the illusion of ‘green’ technology in breathtaking, comprehensive detail. He reveals a fantasy that must perish if there is to be any hope of preserving what remains of life on Earth. In this interview we speak to this as well as exploring his perspective on facing the grief inherent in his deep love of the natural world.
one of ? videos from derrick on bright green lies [derrick jensen on bright green lies]
[intro’d while reading derrick jensen letters.. emailed him and he suggested i read bright green lies (while waiting for book from library – taking in these video interviews – derrick on bright green lies) and myth of human supremacy]
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notes/quotes from 59 min video:
i first understood problem in 2nd grade.. where will grasshoppers go.. et al.. i had that language.. but didn’t have language (but understood) growth on finite planet doesn’t work.. so all work summed up in .. this will end.. hope more than less is left
longer version quoted in derrick on bright green lies – 1
8 min – for most part i don’t have optimism.. but people like julia barnes (made doc bright green lies).. young.. and a lot of other young people understand this so much better than older people.. give me that
9 min – michael: she interviews david suzuki – he said have to do something instead of nothing
10 min – sub title of book.. lost its way ness..
29 min – michael: we can talk about system and how it’s letting us down.. but i’m in it.. how do you live on that level
i’ve been fortunate to talk to really wise people in my lives.. was feeling like everything was my fault.. because i’m participating.. ‘you need to work to take down car culture.. but whether or not you drive is irrelevant.. you didn’t create it’
30 min – buddhists telling me i was too attached to salmon.. i need to let it go.. i realized they had it wrong.. you should never get detached from atrocities.. but where detachment really works is w things like car culture.. ie: yeah driving.. but when car culture goes.. i’m not attached to it.. recognize.. we didn’t make the society.. we need to work to defend wild nature in whatever ways we can w whatever tools we can.. ie: people criticizing me for writing books via trees.. i say.. we’re supposed to take down capitalism w no tools?.. i don’t think people after will care how we did it.. they’re going to care if they can drink the water.. that’s the framework i think about how to live..
33 min – when i used to give talks at colleges ‘what going to do when get in real world’.. for them that meant job.. but real world is trees and land and .. so we need to prioritize that and ask if world is a better place because of (whatever we’re doing).. not is your life easier.. not did it provide more electricity.. even to run a hospital.. is the physical world a better place because of it..
37 min – michael: all these solutions only ways to keep system going as is.. brings question to mind part of work i do in this field.. is helping people to be open to the grief.. if you see so clearly what’s coming.. how do you live w the coming demise of this culture.. human extinction.. how do you face that
38 min – i don’t mind the end of this culture.. even though i fully recognize it will make it so i will no longer have an electric blanket.. i love watching bb games.. good movies.. i just also recognize that this way of life can’t last.. when internet goes out.. i have same response.. 1st 15 in i’m just mad.. destroyed day.. then after 15 min.. go for walk.. sit outside.. come in hour later and say.. oh good.. internet not on yet.. 3 hrs later on.. and i say oh crap.. 5 min later hooked again.. so i’m as addicted as next person..
40 min – my grief.. which is unquenchable.. is.. for what’s happening to wild nature..
41 min – in 90s.. had been activist for years.. and had just been breaking down crying.. friends said to take a break.. but i knew.. if not going to cry about death about salmon.. what are you going to cry about.. vacation isn’t answer.. i said (to janet armstrong).. this work is killing me.. breaking my heart.. dominate culture hates everything.. going to kill everything unless stopped.. she agreed to everything.. then i said.. we’re not going to make it to this great new tomorrow.. then she said best thing ‘i’ve been waiting for you to say that’ .. that normalized my despair.. let me know it’s an appropriate response.. then into the .. let it kill you.. give up on false hope they are going to change.. see things more clearly.. they can’t touch you anymore because see system for what it is.. going thru that process of grief.. important to not get stuck at my grief for murder of planet.. the thing is the murder of the planet..
44 min – somebody asked.. how do i do what i do.. i really like writing and these anal convos.. i love freaking out .. trying to figure out temp answers.. when i get too down.. i think i can turn away.. watch bb game.. and the 35 scottish wildcats can’t.. grief is important.. easy to allow grief to paralyze you.. ok for a while.. but then.. my mom really taught me.. broke her neck in car wreck.. if make a mistake.. beat self up for 5 min then go fix it.. so feel these things then get back in.. on reason i’m so prolific.. i spent 20s doing nothing.. (others say preparing).. i have taken time to grieve.. not so i can get past it.. if grieving to get over grief.. you’re faking it.. i had to just fall into it
47 min – it horrifies me that environ’s supposed to be people who speak for world.. wolfs and salmon are doing it but nobody is listening.. dams don’t help rivers.. story of me wanting to blow up dams.. astrologist said.. never blow up a dam.. that harms rivers.. so i tried to ask people.. and they hung up on me.. better to remove dam all at once by blowing up?.. or remain because eventually fail?.. one astrologist said to me.. a dam coming down is basically a flood.. dams form/fail all the time on rivers.. problem is one dam on one river is no problem.. one woman said ‘we mis-define rivers.. we believe they’re stationary .. but they’re not.. every climate flood breaks her heart.. because of all that die.. but every time it floods it makes her ecstatic because ‘short term habitat loss and long term habitat gain.. i thought.. why do we stay in bad relationships or jobs we hate.. all these false solutions.. short term habitat loss and long term habitat gain.. this happens in our lives over and over.. so again.. all my work.. reviewer called me unsentimental.. i’m a big believer in knowing options.. ie: dams kill.. but
marriage\ing.. bs jobs from birth.. et al
i have chromes disease.. dr said.. sorry.. you have chromes.. i cried .. he left.. then came back to talk about options.. disease doesn’t care if i grief.. it’s appropriate for bit.. then talk options.. same with global situation..
54 min – michael: there are soltuions.. one of your solutions: stop all logging now.. but at cost of humanity..
well cost of civ.. long term humanity.. i’m not sure civ is serving us in long term.. ie: rates of addiction, happiness.. there are ways.. need to ask.. how is civ serving us well.. how is it not..
55 min – one of complaints about book is they don’t present solutions.. not true.. you just don’t like our solutions.. if someone made me dictator of world.. i wouldn’t shut down civ over night.. i would try a soft landing.. ie: get rid of retractable stadium roofs, golf courses.. i would throttle down.. even maintaining this culture.. (which i don’t want to do)
oi.. have means to why leap today man.. for (blank)’s sake
58 min – *body is miraculous.. tremendous capacity for self regen.. same w nature.. if only push it so far can regen miraculously.. but if push too far it’s gone..t plenty of things we could do .. that don’t even mean can’t have access to ice cream for a while.. for most part means getting out of way.. nature always knows better than we do..
but.. ie: imagine a turtle ness.. and need for global detox/re\set.. to me.. we keep perpetuating myth of tragedy and lord (civ) because we keep playing wack a mole.. when humanity needs a leap.. to get back/to simultaneous spontaneity .. simultaneous fittingness.. everyone in sync..
derrick on imagine a turtle – huge
why we need tech as nonjudgmental expo labeling to
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jensen one question law.. jensen import law.. jensen civilization law.. jensen fittingness law.. jensen living beings law.. jensen entitlement law.. myth of human supremacy.. bright green lies.. derrick on bright green lies.. derrick on imagine a turtle..
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be you. 