graham on debt ch 7

125. Graeber’s Debt Chapter 7, Honor and Degradation – everyday anarchism podcast – 2024-06-05

notes/quotes from 45 min podast:

7 min – when property sold ‘to have to hold’ roman term relating to transfer of property.. in roman times.. marriage .. power of slavery.. power over human.. ‘family’ and ‘domestic’ roman words meaning slavery

domesticate.. graeber violence in care law.. marriage\ing.. nika & silvia on divorce

10 min – domestic authority.. absolute power over people..

11 min – not that property existed.. then people owned.. first father had authority over people.. people became property and then things became property

13 min – ancient greek defn of slavery: anyone who had to work for someone else to get money to live.. doesn’t make sense to us.. normal.. but graeber says.. any society based on social econs it wouldn’t have been normal

14 min – why people used term ‘waged slavery’

25 min – slavery utter war on social contexts.. banned from community. frederick douglass – never saw my mother

32 min – slavery means subjection to violence et al.. w/o protection of social context.. that’s why comparing it to wage slavery et al.. because issue is the violence of ripping out of social context

33 mim – on legal slavery.. family, home, domestic,.. graeber’s story of how we got here.. roman idea of slavery for how we handle econ relationships.. slavery comes about when you might have died.. lose battler and all of dignity.. slavery lets them become heroes by making others small.. pseudo dead.. and that increases your honor.. so a game of sex and death in which owning of people is very real (all via graeber)

37 min – liberty as have ability to do whatever you want with property.. rights are property.. one man’s rights another man’s obligation.. all just forms of property and other people have obligation to respect your property.. freedom of speech, stuff, children,.. us constitution et al is a bunch of artificial agreements.. seems like slavery is outlawed.. but graeber says that is a misunderstanding.. legal agreements maintained by violence ‘govt was a contract, individuals give up liberties to sovereign.. wage labor.. effectively renting of our freedom.. not only our own freedom we own.. but bodies.. others have no right to trespass on us.. to say we own ourselves casts ourselves as master/slave at same time.. ‘

43 min – others owning your day.. that’s a free decision you make.. you could move or be unable to pay rent

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