m of care – mar 7

2nd in series?.. 1st: m of care – feb 7pirates with marcus rediker



Historian, research fellow Utrecht University. Research interests in drugs and drug markets, piracy, smuggling, wildlife (trafficking). – amsterdam


Stephen Snelders is a Dutch historian of psychedelics and drugs in general. Research Fellow at the Faculty of Science of Utrecht University in The Netherlands, he is the author of The Devil’s Anarchy.

In this webinar, Stephen will tell us about pirates as modern types of leaders. He will present alternative social orders created by the pirates, inviting us to see how this approach challenged well rooted 18th century notions of hierarchy, inequalities, and social justice. And how much to learn from it to build more equal and just societies.

notes/quotes from video:

stephen: demo org.. they chose their captain.. multi cultural composition of crew

kelig: on becoming a pirate becoming somebody to change the system.. if i want to be in a diff system i have to become somebody diff..

stephen: on ability to move from legal to illegal spheres..

kelig: what is interesting is moving from legal (dispotic) to illegal (egal)

stephen: yeah.. at least w these pirates.. people hanging around a lot.. a criminal fraternity.. and no fights between them.. helping each other

stephen: explaining insurance.. ie: how much money get for loss of diff body parts.. et al

michael: noam chomsky’s book on pirates and emperor.. emperors are really just pirates.. they just don’t take things.. and backwards.. pirates little emperors who take things.. but outside system..

stephen: i wouldn’t romanticize pirates.. 1\ because violence is extremely part of this

marcus rediker: how do you explain the long term continuity

stephen: yeah.. you see same in other criminal orgs.. seems if you are in .. to put yourself outside sovereignty.. set self up as other sovereign.. but pirates had a functional way of org ing that was also limited.. so often see them working together.. that would not have been possible.. same functional methods of org.. if you reject religious society, christian authority.. authority is christian.. i would say.. all very functional traditions.. they work..

marcus: i agree w you that the radicalization of pirates is functional.. but also.. story telling.. ways which operated.. way operated oversea.. exists on most other ships.. but suppressed.. so that kept it going

christian walter: pirates haven’t gone away.. ie: off coast of somalia.. is there a real parallel there?

stephen: already agreed that there’s not one type of pirate..





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